House Speaker Thom Tillis said Tuesday a second staff member will resign this week after admitting to having an inappropriate romantic relationship with a lobbyist.
Tillis would not identify the staff member or the lobbyist, but he provided enough details to indicate that they are Amy Hobbs, a policy analyst, and Dean Plunkett, a lobbyist who represents several clients in the state legislature.
Late Tuesday, Hobbs told the Associated Press that she offered her resignation on Sunday.
One of Plunkett’s clients said Tuesday it would end its relationship with the lobbyist.
The new revelations come five days after The (Raleigh) News & Observer presented Tillis’ office with photographs and other evidence that showed Tillis’ chief of staff, Charles Thomas, a former state representative from Asheville, had been having an affair with a lobbyist for the N.C. Home Builders Association.
Thomas resigned Thursday, and the lobbyist, Jessica Hayes, resigned from her position the following day at the request of the association’s executive vice president.
But Tillis, a Republican from Cornelius, said a review of correspondence and other records produced by General Assembly staff showed Hayes and the homebuilders did not benefit politically from the relationship. Tillis also said he did not give much attention to the second lobbyist’s clients, but he is having records related to the lobbyist and the clients pulled to make sure.
“I think it will be very apparent that these organizations received no special treatment,” Tillis said.
He released roughly 130 pages of email correspondence and other records related to Thomas and the homebuilders association. While they showed the association had an aggressive agenda at the legislature with several bills in play, none of the records showed Thomas directly aiding that agenda.
Hobbs, who was a lobbyist before joining Tillis’ staff after he became speaker in January 20ll, told AP that she resigned after learning that Tillis planned to implement a policy requiring “limited personal contact with lobbyists for all of his staff.”
“Given my background as a former lobbyist, I have many close personal friendships with lobbyists. Close personal relationships and friendships do not rise to the level of an affair,” Hobbs wrote to the AP in an email. “However, I was concerned that I would have difficulty following the office policy and offered my resignation, which was accepted.”
She added that she had “gone above and beyond” to follow ethics rules and avoid appearances of conflicts of interest.
It became apparent that Tillis was talking about Plunkett after identifying three clients the lobbyist represented. Plunkett is the only lobbyist who represented all three of those clients, according to records at the N.C. Secretary of State’s office. Plunkett also could not be reached. He was ranked 30th in the N.C. Center for Public Policy Research’s list of the state’s most influential lobbyists.
Tillis’ news conference, which was conducted by phone Tuesday afternoon, was the first time he answered questions publicly about the relationships between his staffers and lobbyists. He said he did not know Thomas was having an affair, even though the men share an apartment in Raleigh, because both are often on the road.
Tillis said he had heard rumors of Thomas’ affair in January or February and asked Thomas about it. Tillis said Thomas denied an affair.
“I think Charles had known (Jessica Hayes) for several years back when he was a (legislator) and his position was they were friends and they were good friends and that’s all it was, nothing more and nothing less,” Tillis said.
Thomas could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
After Thomas resigned, Tillis said he returned to his office Sunday afternoon and questioned five of his 10 remaining staffers, who had been the subject of rumors related to inappropriate behavior. Tillis said that’s when the policy analyst admitted to also being in a relationship with a lobbyist. He said he asked for, and got, that staff member’s resignation.
Tillis declined to provide details about the other rumors, which did not all involve allegations of improper relationships. He said the staffers denied the rumors and he does not believe anything inappropriate happened.
The affairs have drawn attention to the state’s lobbying laws, tightened in 2006 to try to cut out many of the perks that lobbyists had been providing to lawmakers. But the laws are generally silent with regard to intimate relationships.
Tillis said when he first came to the legislature and hired an assistant, he gave to that staffer policies from his previous employment in the private sector that spoke to inappropriate relationships. But he said when he became speaker in 2011, he did not set those policies for his new staff.
He said he has now done that, and would favor legislation to ban such relationships among staff and lobbyists.
Tillis mentioned three of Plunkett’s clients in the telephone conference call: Equality NC, Association for Home and Hospice Care of North Carolina and the Coastal Conservation Association. But lobbying records show Plunkett, a contract lobbyist, represented eight different clients this session, including a number of technology companies.
Tim Rogers, the lead lobbyist for the hospice association, said he planned to terminate Plunkett’s contract when he returns to Raleigh this week from the association’s conference. Rogers said Plunkett told him that he would resign.
Rogers said he had no knowledge of Plunkett’s relationship with Hobbs. “It is a complete surprise and shock to me,” he said late Tuesday. “We have a high threshold of ethics and standards and I’m going to take appropriate action.”
Alex Miller, a former interim director at Equality NC, said he also knew nothing of the relationship. “I was as surprised as anybody,” he said. Plunkett was hired to help convince Republican lawmakers not to put a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage on the ballot. No Republicans voted against the ballot initiative. The Associated Press contributed.